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Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:44 am
by wd40
old-spice2 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:40 am
wd40 wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 9:22 pmYes, thats why I also think. I just need 1 year(Fy 25-16) to be RNOR, because I will be in Singapore for Apr and May 2025 and I dont want to pay income tax on that Singapore income. Also I want to bring back my accumulated employer PF of about 1.6Cr without getting taxed in India.
You will not be taxed on principal amount you bring from overseas. If you declare I got 1.6Cr savings from Singapore, you will be taxed only on the income that amount generates in future. That law is common in all the countries except may be Dubai/Saudi.
True, but until this year I am NRI. Next FY, I will be RNOR. But lets say they remove RNOR and I jump straight to resident, how do I prove that the 1.6cr was accumulated when I was NRI and not in the FY in which I am bringing it back to India? When I am NRI, I dont declare foreign assets. I need to declare foreign assets only when I am a resident.

This is one of the reasons, I moved all my wealth to India while I was NRI. But this PF thingy I can withdraw only when I quit my job, which means after I move to India. I really hope RNOR stays for next FY, then it is straight forward, it doesnt matter I earned 1.6cr in the prior years on in the next FY, as long as I am bringing it from overseas and I am RNOR, it is tax free.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 11:04 am
by old-spice2
wd40 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:44 am True, but until this year I am NRI. Next FY, I will be RNOR. But lets say they remove RNOR and I jump straight to resident, how do I prove that the 1.6cr was accumulated when I was NRI and not in the FY in which I am bringing it back to India? When I am NRI, I dont declare foreign assets. I need to declare foreign assets only when I am a resident.

This is one of the reasons, I moved all my wealth to India while I was NRI. But this PF thingy I can withdraw only when I quit my job, which means after I move to India. I really hope RNOR stays for next FY, then it is straight forward, it doesnt matter I earned 1.6cr in the prior years on in the next FY, as long as I am bringing it from overseas and I am RNOR, it is tax free.
Best option is this - once you move to India permanently, in the next tax filing cycle, you need to declare all your foreign assets. That becomes the baseline and you don't pay any tax on this declaration. Keep note of all your travels in/out of India as that is used to calculate your tax status. From next tax year (Apr - March), whatever interest or income this base number generated you need to declare and pay tax on it. Even if you keep all the money outside India, you will have to declare them once you become a resident Indian.

Tax dept use all kind of AI, machine learning and hi-tech stuff. Don't even think of hiding or not declaring any amount. They will catch you and levy a penalty on top of the tax. Also keep all documentation related to money transfer or big ticket purchases. If you comply with all laws life is easy.

PF is a different issue. Once you retire you can withdraw the money. Consult CA as Nirmala is levying tax on that also.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:27 pm
by DILIPDE
If 180 days NRI rules stay and if they remove RNOR and you did not visit India in 2025 or for a few days, then if you move back in Nov 2025, you will be NRI for November 2025 to March 2026 and then you will be Indian Resident from April 2026 and you need to
start paying estimated tax based on your estimated income from your investment, basically no breathing room.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:00 am
by wd40
old-spice2 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 11:04 am
wd40 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:44 am True, but until this year I am NRI. Next FY, I will be RNOR. But lets say they remove RNOR and I jump straight to resident, how do I prove that the 1.6cr was accumulated when I was NRI and not in the FY in which I am bringing it back to India? When I am NRI, I dont declare foreign assets. I need to declare foreign assets only when I am a resident.

This is one of the reasons, I moved all my wealth to India while I was NRI. But this PF thingy I can withdraw only when I quit my job, which means after I move to India. I really hope RNOR stays for next FY, then it is straight forward, it doesnt matter I earned 1.6cr in the prior years on in the next FY, as long as I am bringing it from overseas and I am RNOR, it is tax free.
Best option is this - once you move to India permanently, in the next tax filing cycle, you need to declare all your foreign assets. That becomes the baseline and you don't pay any tax on this declaration. Keep note of all your travels in/out of India as that is used to calculate your tax status. From next tax year (Apr - March), whatever interest or income this base number generated you need to declare and pay tax on it. Even if you keep all the money outside India, you will have to declare them once you become a resident Indian.

Tax dept use all kind of AI, machine learning and hi-tech stuff. Don't even think of hiding or not declaring any amount. They will catch you and levy a penalty on top of the tax. Also keep all documentation related to money transfer or big ticket purchases. If you comply with all laws life is easy.

PF is a different issue. Once you retire you can withdraw the money. Consult CA as Nirmala is levying tax on that also.
Actually my problem is solved. My dad just told me if I can transfer the 1.6Cr I have in SGD to my brother in UK and my dad will pay me in INR. Basically my dad wants to give about 2.5Cr to my brother as inheritance and I get the landed property in Bangalore. It will be a headache for my dad to remit 2.5Cr to UK, so this is kind of a win win for us.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:53 am
by Returning_Indian
Great, your brother gets to pay 50% as tax to UK govt. They are anyways short of funds.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:32 am
by wd40
Returning_Indian wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:53 am Great, your brother gets to pay 50% as tax to UK govt. They are anyways short of funds.
Wow! Seriously? even if it is like a gift from parents?

Edit: I just read this: https://community.hmrc.gov.uk/customerf ... 155d975291

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:51 am
by Returning_Indian
wd40 wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:32 am
Returning_Indian wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:53 am Great, your brother gets to pay 50% as tax to UK govt. They are anyways short of funds.
Wow! Seriously? even if it is like a gift from parents?

Edit: I just read this: https://community.hmrc.gov.uk/customerf ... 155d975291
it appears I was mistaken.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:46 am
by nodegree
Well that was a bust..New Income Tax act to be unveiled next week, conveniently after Delhi Elections.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:33 pm
by DILIPDE
I could not find any update on DTC yet, particularly regarding RNOR status.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2025 5:35 pm
by old-spice2
DILIPDE wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 12:33 pm I could not find any update on DTC yet, particularly regarding RNOR status.
No change to RNOR status as of now.