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Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:36 pm
by nodegree
Did they already unveil the new income tax bill? AFAIK they haven't done yet..

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:45 pm
by nodegree
Looks like a Draft of the bill went live today and it seems to keep all existing provisions of RNOR. Still early to see if there are any gotchas but so far nothing seems to change taxation wise for NRIs and RNORs. NRI rules also unchanged (i.e. less than 182 days in India if Ind Citizen on employment abroad or Person of Indian Origin with a foreign residence).

Here's a draft copy
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OVc5BE ... view?pli=1

Thank goodness for coalition governments.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 6:54 am
by wd40
nodegree wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:45 pm Looks like a Draft of the bill went live today and it seems to keep all existing provisions of RNOR. Still early to see if there are any gotchas but so far nothing seems to change taxation wise for NRIs and RNORs. NRI rules also unchanged (i.e. less than 182 days in India if Ind Citizen on employment abroad or Person of Indian Origin with a foreign residence).

Here's a draft copy
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OVc5BE ... view?pli=1

Thank goodness for coalition governments.
Just came to post the same thing here :)

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nr ... 204594.cms

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:40 am
by DILIPDE
I think, keeping RNOR status is good move. It will help returning NRI (particularly those are living overseas for a long time) to adjust before filling tax return in India.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:19 pm
by wd40
DILIPDE wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:40 am I think, keeping RNOR status is good move. It will help returning NRI (particularly those are living overseas for a long time) to adjust before filling tax return in India.
It was all silly speculation by the CA community in India. I never believed that it will be removed.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:37 pm
by old-spice2
wd40 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:19 pm It was all silly speculation by the CA community in India. I never believed that it will be removed.
But why have RNOR, special int rate and tax free status for NRO/NRE account? Other countries don't give such rebates (ex USA). America even taxes its citizens when they live outside.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2025 10:04 pm
by wd40
old-spice2 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:37 pm
wd40 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:19 pm It was all silly speculation by the CA community in India. I never believed that it will be removed.
But why have RNOR, special int rate and tax free status for NRO/NRE account? Other countries don't give such rebates (ex USA). America even taxes its citizens when they live outside.
Until about 10 years ago, India was really dollar starved. Raghuram Rajan had to liberate NRE FD rates, before 2014, NRE FD rates were capped to only 3% I think.

So when India was hit with the fragile five status and rupee was plunging, RBI had to bring Innovative stuff like the fcnr B with some derivative product etc.

RNOR is probably much older than that and I think it was designed to ease the transition of long term NRIs returning back to India and encourage them to bring their monies into India in a gradual manner.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2025 5:11 am
by nodegree
old-spice2 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:37 pm
wd40 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:19 pm It was all silly speculation by the CA community in India. I never believed that it will be removed.
But why have RNOR, special int rate and tax free status for NRO/NRE account? Other countries don't give such rebates (ex USA). America even taxes its citizens when they live outside.
US does give NRAs (Non-Resident Aliens) relief from US taxation of their foreign assets the first year they become resident (or even second year depending on how they elect their first year resident status). I think two years of RNOR is a reasonable time frame considering how big the Indian diaspora is abroad (it used to be 6 years before the 90s).

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2025 10:33 am
by SAPPORO
old-spice2 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:37 pm
wd40 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:19 pm It was all silly speculation by the CA community in India. I never believed that it will be removed.
But why have RNOR, special int rate and tax free status for NRO/NRE account? Other countries don't give such rebates (ex USA). America even taxes its citizens when they live outside.
There is an annual foreign income exclusion of a hefty $127K on earned income for US citizens. I guess USC Desis that R2Ied and working in India use that tax break presumably designed for diplomats stationed overseas.

Re: Direct Tax code- removal of RNOR status

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2025 2:51 pm
by nodegree
SAPPORO wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 10:33 am
old-spice2 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:37 pm
wd40 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:19 pm It was all silly speculation by the CA community in India. I never believed that it will be removed.
But why have RNOR, special int rate and tax free status for NRO/NRE account? Other countries don't give such rebates (ex USA). America even taxes its citizens when they live outside.
There is an annual foreign income exclusion of a hefty $127K on earned income for US citizens. I guess USC Desis that R2Ied and working in India use that tax break presumably designed for diplomats stationed overseas.
AFAIK Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE) and Foreign Housing Deduction don't apply to US Govt Employees stationed abroad (like diplomats and state dept officials). It really is designed to relieve tax burden on US Citizens living and working abroad (congress even tied it to inflation in the 80s, decades after being stuck on a fixed amount since the 1920s).